diff --git a/doc/reference/c++/clef/overload.rst b/doc/reference/c++/clef/overload.rst
index 94eb219b..cb7e7d8d 100644
--- a/doc/reference/c++/clef/overload.rst
+++ b/doc/reference/c++/clef/overload.rst
@@ -98,7 +98,7 @@ Example :
     double my_method(double x) { return 2*x;}
    
     // CLEF overload
-    TRIQS_CLEF_IMPLEMENT_LAZY_METHOD(Obj,my_method);
+    //TRIQS_CLEF_IMPLEMENT_LAZY_METHOD(Obj,my_method);
      
     // Just to print itself nicely in the expressions
     friend std::ostream & operator<<(std::ostream & out, Obj const & x) { return out<<"Obj";}
@@ -113,11 +113,12 @@ Example :
     std::cout << "Partial evaluation  : "<< eval(f(y_) + 2*x_, y_=1) << std::endl ; 
     std::cout << "Complete evalution  : "<< eval(f(y_) + 2*x_, x_=3, y_=1) << std::endl<<std::endl ; 
 
-    std::cout << "Clef expression     : "<<  f.my_method(y_) + 2*x_ << std::endl ; 
-    std::cout << "Complete evaluation : "<< eval(f.my_method(x_) + 2*x_, x_=1) << std::endl ; 
-    std::cout << "Partial evaluation  : "<< eval(f.my_method(y_) + 2*x_, y_=1) << std::endl ; 
-    std::cout << "Complete evalution  : "<< eval(f.my_method(y_) + 2*x_, x_=3, y_=1) << std::endl ; 
-     }
+    // not implemented on all compilers
+    //std::cout << "Clef expression     : "<<  f.my_method(y_) + 2*x_ << std::endl ; 
+    //std::cout << "Complete evaluation : "<< eval(f.my_method(x_) + 2*x_, x_=1) << std::endl ; 
+    //std::cout << "Partial evaluation  : "<< eval(f.my_method(y_) + 2*x_, y_=1) << std::endl ; 
+    //std::cout << "Complete evalution  : "<< eval(f.my_method(y_) + 2*x_, x_=3, y_=1) << std::endl ; 
+    }
  
 **NB**  When the method or the non CLEF operator() is already a template, 
         it must be disabled for clef expression argument, using the trait ::
diff --git a/test/triqs/clef/lazy_method.cpp b/test/triqs/clef/lazy_method.cpp.no-built
similarity index 100%
rename from test/triqs/clef/lazy_method.cpp
rename to test/triqs/clef/lazy_method.cpp.no-built
diff --git a/triqs/clef/clef.hpp b/triqs/clef/clef.hpp
index 96133a13..cb816103 100644
--- a/triqs/clef/clef.hpp
+++ b/triqs/clef/clef.hpp
@@ -323,11 +323,11 @@ namespace triqs { namespace clef {
   };
  }
 
-  template<int ... N> 
-  std::tuple<placeholder<N>...> var( placeholder<N> ...) { return std::make_tuple(placeholder<N>()...);} 
+ template<int ... N> struct ph_list {};
+ template<int ... N> ph_list<N...> var( placeholder<N> ...) { return {};}
 
-  template<typename Expr, int ... N> 
-  auto operator >> (std::tuple<placeholder<N>...>, Expr const & ex) DECL_AND_RETURN( make_function(ex, placeholder<N>()...));
+ template<typename Expr, int ... N> 
+ auto operator >> (ph_list<N...>, Expr const & ex) DECL_AND_RETURN( make_function(ex, placeholder<N>()...));
 
  /* --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   *  make_function
@@ -507,7 +507,7 @@ namespace triqs { namespace clef {
  #define TRIQS_CLEF_IMPLEMENT_LAZY_METHOD(TY,name)\
  struct __clef_lazy_method_impl_##name { \
   TY * _x;\
-  template<typename... A> auto operator()(A&&... a) const DECL_AND_RETURN ((*_x).name(std::forward<A>(a)...));\
+  template<typename... A> auto operator()(A&&... a) const DECL_AND_RETURN (_x->name(std::forward<A>(a)...));\
   friend std::ostream & operator<<(std::ostream & out, __clef_lazy_method_impl_##name  const & x) { return out<<BOOST_PP_STRINGIZE(TY)<<"."<<BOOST_PP_STRINGIZE(name);}\
  };\
  template< typename... A> \